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		<title>Comment on Open Source SourceForge by The Neighbourhood Nerd</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2011/03/15/open-source-sourceforge/#comment-323526</link>
		<dc:creator>The Neighbourhood Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t count the number of great applications I&#039;ve downloaded from SourceForge. Best of luck to you folks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t count the number of great applications I&#8217;ve downloaded from SourceForge. Best of luck to you folks!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Timur Izhbulatov</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323524</link>
		<dc:creator>Timur Izhbulatov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, Mark.

I&#039;ve noticed Michael Pedersen mentioned &#039;Pyramid/Orion&#039; in his recent message to tg-trunk. And the only meaningful info about Orion that I&#039;ve found is its PyPI page. It says it&#039;s planned and you&#039;re its owner.

Could you please comment on this?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Mark.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed Michael Pedersen mentioned &#8216;Pyramid/Orion&#8217; in his recent message to tg-trunk. And the only meaningful info about Orion that I&#8217;ve found is its PyPI page. It says it&#8217;s planned and you&#8217;re its owner.</p>
<p>Could you please comment on this?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Weekly Python News (12/31/2010) &#171; The Mouse Vs. The Python</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323426</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Python News (12/31/2010) &#171; The Mouse Vs. The Python</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project&#8221; (Alt title: TurboGears Becomes TurboPyramid). I think the title says it all&#8230;and no, they didn&#8217;t really rename the project. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project&#8221; (Alt title: TurboGears Becomes TurboPyramid). I think the title says it all&#8230;and no, they didn&#8217;t really rename the project. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323413</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like good news.  How much will change for a Turbogears 2 developer going forward?  Will there be a way of getting the ease that Turbogears offered, such that I could be up and running with a full stack with but few commands?

And what about object dispatch, AdminController etc?  Will these be bolted onto pyramid as a sort of TG3?  Or are they going away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like good news.  How much will change for a Turbogears 2 developer going forward?  Will there be a way of getting the ease that Turbogears offered, such that I could be up and running with a full stack with but few commands?</p>
<p>And what about object dispatch, AdminController etc?  Will these be bolted onto pyramid as a sort of TG3?  Or are they going away?</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by qna</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323406</link>
		<dc:creator>qna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This day finally came!
It is really good to see all the python framework could come together and become something that is really simple and useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This day finally came!<br />
It is really good to see all the python framework could come together and become something that is really simple and useful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Antonio</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323405</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like good news for both projects so congrats. Can you talk a little a bit about the relationship of the new entity to Django which to my unsophisticated eye seems to have won the RoR title for the Python world?

I&#039;d hope that this new entity would aim not to compete but to try to do something either complementary, or completely different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like good news for both projects so congrats. Can you talk a little a bit about the relationship of the new entity to Django which to my unsophisticated eye seems to have won the RoR title for the Python world?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hope that this new entity would aim not to compete but to try to do something either complementary, or completely different.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Mark Ramm</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

Rails is an &quot;opinionated&quot; web framework.   It makes decisions for you.  It has opinions about how you *should* build things.   Pyramid and Pylons before it tried to be flexible instead of opinionated. 

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/802050/what-is-opinionated-software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Rails is an &#8220;opinionated&#8221; web framework.   It makes decisions for you.  It has opinions about how you *should* build things.   Pyramid and Pylons before it tried to be flexible instead of opinionated. </p>
<p><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/802050/what-is-opinionated-software" rel="nofollow">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/802050/what-is-opinionated-software</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Tweets that mention TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project #TurboGears -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323403</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project #TurboGears -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Benjamin W. Smith, Henrique Bastos, Wu, News Bloom and others. News Bloom said: TurboGears joins the Pylons Project - http://bit.ly/hI7O2K - [Hacker News Top] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Benjamin W. Smith, Henrique Bastos, Wu, News Bloom and others. News Bloom said: TurboGears joins the Pylons Project &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/hI7O2K" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/hI7O2K</a> &#8211; [Hacker News Top] [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Mark Ramm</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323402</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nes,

Probably something else.   We are looking at all the options, but if we don&#039;t maintain better backwards compatibility than we did in the tg1--&gt;tg2 transition, I&#039;m leaning towards a new name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nes,</p>
<p>Probably something else.   We are looking at all the options, but if we don&#8217;t maintain better backwards compatibility than we did in the tg1&#8211;>tg2 transition, I&#8217;m leaning towards a new name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by Mike</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323401</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is a &quot;non-opinionated web application&quot;? I didn&#039;t know code had opinions anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a &#8220;non-opinionated web application&#8221;? I didn&#8217;t know code had opinions anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on TurboGears Joins the Pylons Project by nes</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/#comment-323400</link>
		<dc:creator>nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be the name for the full stack Pyramid environment be called Turbogears 3 or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be the name for the full stack Pyramid environment be called Turbogears 3 or something else?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technical Debt isn&#8217;t always Debt by Mark Ramm</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/10/05/technical-debt-isnt-always-debt/#comment-323359</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, 

Perhaps you are right, that warts goes too far the other direction.   But some of the things I&#039;ve seen called technical debt really are just about making developers feel better.   And It&#039;s not true that the only reason to pay attention to a wart is because it makes you happy.   Warts can be signs of carcinoma, infection, or other serious problems and should be investigated to determine if they are serious -- which is exactly what I&#039;m suggesting you do with technical warts.   Don&#039;t ignore them, but don&#039;t treat them as an obligation either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, </p>
<p>Perhaps you are right, that warts goes too far the other direction.   But some of the things I&#8217;ve seen called technical debt really are just about making developers feel better.   And It&#8217;s not true that the only reason to pay attention to a wart is because it makes you happy.   Warts can be signs of carcinoma, infection, or other serious problems and should be investigated to determine if they are serious &#8212; which is exactly what I&#8217;m suggesting you do with technical warts.   Don&#8217;t ignore them, but don&#8217;t treat them as an obligation either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technical Debt isn&#8217;t always Debt by Daniel Heath</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/10/05/technical-debt-isnt-always-debt/#comment-323358</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technical warts implies that we would only fix them to make ourselves happy - which is not the case at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technical warts implies that we would only fix them to make ourselves happy &#8211; which is not the case at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technical Debt isn&#8217;t always Debt by Alex Clark</title>
		<link>http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/10/05/technical-debt-isnt-always-debt/#comment-323351</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this! I&#039;ve often wanted to describe this phenomenon to clients but could never find the words. I think you put it quite well, and &quot;don&#039;t pay off all your technical debt unless it&#039;s &#039;worth it&#039;&quot; is something most &quot;humans&quot; can get behind. You can, and in a lot of cases probably should, leave a few of those more challenging warts in place, learn from them, and just keep moving forward (and fix them later when you have more time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! I&#8217;ve often wanted to describe this phenomenon to clients but could never find the words. I think you put it quite well, and &#8220;don&#8217;t pay off all your technical debt unless it&#8217;s &#8216;worth it&#8217;&#8221; is something most &#8220;humans&#8221; can get behind. You can, and in a lot of cases probably should, leave a few of those more challenging warts in place, learn from them, and just keep moving forward (and fix them later when you have more time).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ignoring “technical debt” is like playing with dynamite by Technical Debt isn&#8217;t always Debt &#124; Compound Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technical Debt isn&#8217;t always Debt &#124; Compound Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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